torsdag 31. august 2017
Vil dele mitt svar om Evig pine /død fra en debattant jeg har lært mye fra før. Her er vi totalt uenige! La skrift forklare skrift. Får sønnen frigjort deg er du virkelig fri. Tro det for fjerningen skyld. ***Det er Guds GODHET OG NÅDE som driver til omvendelse! Vi trenger IKKE frykte evig pine hvor Satan stikker deg med høygaffelen, ansatt av gud, så straffen er triliarder lenger en livet i synd var. Hvis DØDEN OG DØDSRIKET er de siste som kastes i den brendene ilden er det slutt for dem. "DØD hvor er din brodd. Død hvor er din seier?" Døden ER oppslukt til seier. Hvordan TRO at Gud er kjærlighet OG SADIST. Stakkars de som frykter han! Vet mange barn ble "haste døpt" på sykehus. Tenk den Kvale og sorg de foreldre hadde som ikke rakk å "døpe" sine kjære? Luther:Barna sitter i djevelens strupe til de blir døpt... FY FOR EN LÆRE! Spurte deg om å ta et enkelt studie, da jeg VET at du er grundig i studiene dine Ivar Helmersen. Jeg vet! Søk:død, døden, sov, sove spesielt fra Ordspråkene. Finner du Evg pine der? MIN forklaring:Gud ER en fortærende ild! Hans ild ER evig. Ilden kan brenne BORT synd NÅ i livet. Eller den kan brenne deg opp som en kvist på vintreet i Joh. 15. Da kvisene (de som IKKE har bært Guds frukt her brenner opp og blir aske. Gal. 5,22-23.Profeten sier vi skal trå på de ( ugudeliges ) aske. Altså kan vi la Guds ild (vi kan ikke nå se Gud å leve!) hellige, rense, sette tilside oss her før Jesus henter oss. Da, bare da kan Gud la oss leve. Ellers vil synet av Gud og hans evige ild fortære den ugudelige ved Jesu komme og ved dommen etter de 1000 år. Se, Åp. 20.Gud sier:Dåren (idioten) skal IKKE FARE VILL. Dåren tror at død er død. Uten liv. Dåren vet at det som kan brenne, tre, høy, strå, brenner opp. Borte uten liv lenger. Guds frelse er i Helligdommen Ivar Helmersen. Du av alle har studert helligdommen. Jeg vet! Du har lært meg! La oss ta et raskt studie om helligdommen! Brennofferalteret er i for gården (verden), =korset utenfor byen.) Der ble en del av ofrene brent, tilintetgjort. Det er vår korsfestelse med Kristus. Så kommer vaske fatet. Der ble synden (blodet vasket bort/synd. Starten som beby kristne. Så kommer vi til "det hellige I tempelet. Det er vårt nye kristne liv! Først møter vi skuebrødsbordet til prestene. Et til hver av" Israels stammer. (ikke hele Israel, er Israel, men den som gjør Guds vilje!). Brødet er "Mannaen", som kom ned fra himmelen. Den er Kristus! "Jeg er det levende brød som kom ned fra himmelen, sa Jesus. Den som eter det/brødet=Ordet. (Joh. Ev. ) LIVETS BRØD. Vi eter Guds Ord (Jesus) for å leve. Så er det røk offer alteret. Det er de helliges bønner som stiger opp /og inn for for henget til Det aller helligste"be uavlatelig" (her i tiden som kristen). Så har vi Lysestaken . Det er de kristnes Liv! Vær lys og salt. (Jeg er verdens Lys, sa Jesus. Når han skulle dra sa han:Dere er verdens Lys! (Sett det i Lysestaken og ikke under en sjeppe/bøtte, SÅ det lyser for folket i huset!). DETTE HELLIGE ER VÅRT LIV SOM KRISTNE : Brødet /ordets studie. Bønnene/Røkelse. Så må vi gjøre som Jesus gjør/la Guds lys skinne. MEN, det er og det aller helligste! Da har vi rett-ferd. Holder Guds Lov, bud og foreskriver!, (Dere SKAL være hellig for Jeg er hellig-gjort hellig/helliggjørelse. Der inne BAK forgjenger som revnet fra topp til bunn når Jesus døde åpnet en ny vei til Guds tronstol i disse dager. Der lå Guds Ark! I arken var de 10 (ord) bud. Guds Lovgivning for sitt rike, for sitt folk! Arons stav var der. Den spiret. Altså Liv AV døde. (Profeten spådde og over de døde ben i dalen hvor Gud SPURTE :kan de bli LEVENDE IGJEN?) og der var Manna/livets brød. (Jesus er brødet)... Alt dette var lagt i Arken UNDER NÅDE STOLEN. Loven dømmer våre handlinger. Altså "Domsplassen"! Nåden tar bort oppgjort synd! Syndens lønn er døden, men Guds Nådegave er Evig liv. Loven gir Liv eller Døder. Vi dømmes etter våre gjerninger som Guds lys. "Vi tror til omvendelse, men dømmes AV våre gjerninger (i Kristus). Nåde stolen er beviset. Den dekker over en mengde synder mot Loven. Guds grunnlov. Hans vesen/karakter. Dette er hele frelsesveien. Begynner ved korset, slutter ved arken og Loven. *** Kunne vist det samme med de 7 årlige høytider, men dette er nok nå. Bare peker på den Store forsoningsdagen. DA skulle Israel /Guds folk ransaket seg selv for det var sist dag for soning i det religiøse året hvor synden flyttet UT av helligdommen (blodet som var ført inn pga Synd). Den som DA hadde upogjort synd måtte DØ! Vi må gjøre alt vi kan/ser her og nå. Når Jesus kommer,som dommen over de ugudelige. Den store og forferdelige dagen. For de troende, den store og herlige dagen. Håper de som leser vil studere selv om jeg har rett. Kun Guds Ord, forklarer Guds Ord! Vær som Berøa menigheten. Ta imot ordet med GLEDE-MEN gå hjem å granske skriftene om det er sånn. Guds fred i bibelstudier ❤️
mandag 28. august 2017
Some thoughts on our church affiliation based on Revelation 14
The Scripture says, "These are those who were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are those who follow the Lamb wherever He goes." "Women" stands for churches - churches that defile people with sins. The Trinity doctrine is sin because it teaches people to worship a false god, thus breaking the First Commandment. We must follow our Saviour instead of a creed.
Therefore, let us not be defiled with churches that are teaching people to sin - either through a false gospel which accommodates sin, tolerating open sin in its members, or teaching people to sin by breaking God's commandments - even if it is a "church" with the name "Seventh-day Adventist" on it.
I'm becoming more and more convinced that if the GC doesn't agree to study the issue of who God is but instead holds to its trinity creed that we should no longer be defiled with it. It's not Babylon, but it's too much like Babylon because it has built a babylonian tower called the trinitarian creed and those who worship in these churches are being defiled - not just with the Trinity doctrine but all manner of evil.
As I see all of the recent developments happening in the "church," I believe that this is it. What happens in the next year or so will determine the destiny of the SDA GC. Will they heed the Laodicean message or will they fall with Babylon?
Now, let me make this practical. We have been commissioned to preach the Gospel to the world. This takes organization, which we've been counseled to have repeatedly in the Testimonies. But the SDA GC is holding us back in not allowing the true God and the true Gospel to be preached. Therefore, in order for us to follow the Lord's commission, we need to preach independently of the GC. But how can we be effective without organization? And where do we lead new disciples to worship? And do we mislead people by saying we are "Seventh-day Adventists" when we are not members of the SDA corporation that the world sees as SDAs? And what do we do about the trademark?
It's time that we lead people to the Scriptures and disentangle ourselves from labels and creeds. We are to be the Israel of God that is restored after 1844 according to the prophecies. Our rightful Law is to be fully restored to us and we are simply to be the people who keep the Commandments of God and the faith of Jesus. People are tired of denominationalism. And they need to know what the true church really is - that it is a people and not a certain organization or a building.
It is time to come out of the creed. Until we do, we will not experience the gifts of the Spirit. We cannot have both. It is one or the other. As long as we are connected with an organization that has a creed, we are exempt from Christ being among us. It is our trinitarian creed that has shut Him out. If we wait for dreams and visions to indicate that we should reorganize outside of the GC, it may never come, because we are still connected with the creed, with man replacing God. Even if we have been disfellowshiped from the GC, if we trust that this is still God's sole organization then we are putting our trust in this creed-laden organization. I have no doubt that God will still use supporting organizations of the GC to help bring truth to the nations, but what we need are organized missions right here in the Western world. Home churches are fine, but we need to have a coordinated effort. We cannot continue to be independent atoms. We need God's spiritual gifts among us and to gather together at His appointed times. This waiting for the Conference to be reformed may be a hopeless effort and holding God back from really using us.
Friends, we have put far too much trust in man. Our creeds and organizations have left us bound. We need to have faith that if we will gather ourselves together, and pray for unity and for the gifts of the Spirit, that He will do this for us - even without the large numbers that the GC has. We must fully rely on His power alone. We need to by mission-focused instead of just continually hashing and rehashing the same things among ourselves. We need to gather ourselves together when God has asked us to for the specific purpose of reaching the world with the Gospel of the Kingdom. God's Kingdom will be restored, but we have been so institutionalized that our focus has been on our own organizations instead of of His simple Kingdom.
These are some thoughts that I have. Let's discuss this and pray about it, but please be respectful. We need to examine ourselves. Where is our trust? Are we fully relying on God? Are we mission-focused or focused on ourselves? Are we focused so much on doctrine and debates that we are missing the whole object of our mission? We need to move on, brethren, we must move on.
The Scripture says, "These are those who were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are those who follow the Lamb wherever He goes." "Women" stands for churches - churches that defile people with sins. The Trinity doctrine is sin because it teaches people to worship a false god, thus breaking the First Commandment. We must follow our Saviour instead of a creed.
Therefore, let us not be defiled with churches that are teaching people to sin - either through a false gospel which accommodates sin, tolerating open sin in its members, or teaching people to sin by breaking God's commandments - even if it is a "church" with the name "Seventh-day Adventist" on it.
I'm becoming more and more convinced that if the GC doesn't agree to study the issue of who God is but instead holds to its trinity creed that we should no longer be defiled with it. It's not Babylon, but it's too much like Babylon because it has built a babylonian tower called the trinitarian creed and those who worship in these churches are being defiled - not just with the Trinity doctrine but all manner of evil.
As I see all of the recent developments happening in the "church," I believe that this is it. What happens in the next year or so will determine the destiny of the SDA GC. Will they heed the Laodicean message or will they fall with Babylon?
Now, let me make this practical. We have been commissioned to preach the Gospel to the world. This takes organization, which we've been counseled to have repeatedly in the Testimonies. But the SDA GC is holding us back in not allowing the true God and the true Gospel to be preached. Therefore, in order for us to follow the Lord's commission, we need to preach independently of the GC. But how can we be effective without organization? And where do we lead new disciples to worship? And do we mislead people by saying we are "Seventh-day Adventists" when we are not members of the SDA corporation that the world sees as SDAs? And what do we do about the trademark?
It's time that we lead people to the Scriptures and disentangle ourselves from labels and creeds. We are to be the Israel of God that is restored after 1844 according to the prophecies. Our rightful Law is to be fully restored to us and we are simply to be the people who keep the Commandments of God and the faith of Jesus. People are tired of denominationalism. And they need to know what the true church really is - that it is a people and not a certain organization or a building.
It is time to come out of the creed. Until we do, we will not experience the gifts of the Spirit. We cannot have both. It is one or the other. As long as we are connected with an organization that has a creed, we are exempt from Christ being among us. It is our trinitarian creed that has shut Him out. If we wait for dreams and visions to indicate that we should reorganize outside of the GC, it may never come, because we are still connected with the creed, with man replacing God. Even if we have been disfellowshiped from the GC, if we trust that this is still God's sole organization then we are putting our trust in this creed-laden organization. I have no doubt that God will still use supporting organizations of the GC to help bring truth to the nations, but what we need are organized missions right here in the Western world. Home churches are fine, but we need to have a coordinated effort. We cannot continue to be independent atoms. We need God's spiritual gifts among us and to gather together at His appointed times. This waiting for the Conference to be reformed may be a hopeless effort and holding God back from really using us.
Friends, we have put far too much trust in man. Our creeds and organizations have left us bound. We need to have faith that if we will gather ourselves together, and pray for unity and for the gifts of the Spirit, that He will do this for us - even without the large numbers that the GC has. We must fully rely on His power alone. We need to by mission-focused instead of just continually hashing and rehashing the same things among ourselves. We need to gather ourselves together when God has asked us to for the specific purpose of reaching the world with the Gospel of the Kingdom. God's Kingdom will be restored, but we have been so institutionalized that our focus has been on our own organizations instead of of His simple Kingdom.
These are some thoughts that I have. Let's discuss this and pray about it, but please be respectful. We need to examine ourselves. Where is our trust? Are we fully relying on God? Are we mission-focused or focused on ourselves? Are we focused so much on doctrine and debates that we are missing the whole object of our mission? We need to move on, brethren, we must move on.
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